I thank God every day that my children were smarter than I was and never got baptized. I know and they know that no one is getting out of here alive.
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Why do you get upset about family shunning you?
by mr_doubtful ini understand people love their family but i also don't understand why you end up caring in the end.
i'm ready to leave and i 100% don't expecting my family to have any contact with me nor do i want them to contact me.
if they are going to chose a man made religion over me, that's their choice and i will sleep easy at night.
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Not one visit, 8 years in a nursing home, and not one visit!
by Raymudas Martini inmy dad{rip}, was a faithful jw since the year i was born, i'm 60, he died 2 years ago.
his last 12 years were spent in an assisted living/nursing home right in the small town where he spent the last 8 years of being an elder/pioneer.
when he went into the home, one brother would visit him regularly, but after 4 years, that friend moved away, and visitation from the locals ceased, for 8 years!!!!!!!
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The Witlesses will spend hours standing by their literature carts sipping on their lattes and going from door to door hoping that no one answers while the elderly from the hall need help with groceries and choirs and many of the "forgotten class" wither away in nursing homes realizing that they did grow old and will die. If the Witchtower Bable and Trick Sobriety would have new light and let the Witlesses count time doing the above, it would be a win-win for everyone. There is no deeper feeling of self-worth than helping someone who is truly in need of help.
The false hopes and false dreams they have are consuming the only life they have. More and more are realizing that no one is getting out of here alive.
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New flip flop document - updated from last year
by Splash inabout this time last year i uploaded a document as part of my going away post.. as stated at the time i had to lie low, and am still doing so.
sort of.
mostly.i pop up rarely to chip in when my 'ardour comes up into my nose' about something lol, but still read the leaks and back-and-forth between the members here.
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Well done and appreciated. This is good data to use when the elders come for a visit.
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"Historical" Announcement This Week?
by headisspinning inmy daughter asked if anyone has heard anything about a 'big announcement' being made sometime this week in congregations in canada and possibly beyond... in her words "it's like a biggggg long thing, they cut out part of the book study for it and people heard it was a historical thing"... any ideas?
could it be the mexican branch closing or the theme of the convention?
or something else?
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The only word that JW's use more than "soon" is "special". Special meeting, special talk, special speaker, special announcement, blah blah blah.
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Jehovah wants everyone to hear the message before the end comes
by Sour Grapes inwhen you ask a jw why hasn't god brought an end to the old system it is because he is being patient and he wants everyone to have the opportunity for everlasting life.
they will say that every year over 200,000 become jw's (most of whom are born ins).
the problem that i have is that every year over 130,000,000 people are born which means that every year he delays in destroying the nations there will be 130,000,000 more people to murder and bury.
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When you ask a JW why hasn't God brought an end to the old system it is because He is being patient and he wants everyone to have the opportunity for everlasting life. They will say that every year over 200,000 become JW's (most of whom are born ins)
The problem that I have is that every year over 130,000,000 people are born which means that every year He delays in destroying the nations there will be 130,000,000 more people to murder and bury. That doesn't sound very loving to me. If he waits another 8 years for the great tribulation add another billion people that he has to murder while adding another 1.6 million witnesses who will be on the burial duty.
The Bible says that God is love yet every day he permits over 20,000 people to die of starvation. He has the power to fix that and He doesn't.
That just leaves me Sour Grapes
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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My beef with the Borg is that assaulting a child is a crime, the elders treat it like a sin. Years ago I sat on several judicial committees where we asked for every little detail when there was fornication. I am ashamed that I was even an elder. How many lives did I screw up while serving as an elder?
Witnesses may brag that we disfellowshipped the pedophile, the problem is that if the authorities were not contacted the pedophile is still on the loose and will in most cases assault another child who is not associated with the JW's. Of course, JW's don't care about "worldly" people because they are doomed to destruction at Armageddon which is just around the corner.
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How the Watchtower Could Grow In Numbers
by Sour Grapes inif i were running the watchtower there are things that i would do to increase the numbers and increase donations.
since so many older witnesses are realizing that the false hope they had of not growing old and not having to die is fading away like a frost on a sunny autumn morning, the watchtower needs to shift gears.. as it has been stated on this forum, the emphasis needs to shift from not dying to the glorious hope of the resurrection, the gateway to paradise.
they need to deemphasize armageddon and emphasize "the way of life" that witnesses have.
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Maybe I wouldn't go back, but I would feel better about my family who are still in lock step with seven dwarfs at headquarters.
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How the Watchtower Could Grow In Numbers
by Sour Grapes inif i were running the watchtower there are things that i would do to increase the numbers and increase donations.
since so many older witnesses are realizing that the false hope they had of not growing old and not having to die is fading away like a frost on a sunny autumn morning, the watchtower needs to shift gears.. as it has been stated on this forum, the emphasis needs to shift from not dying to the glorious hope of the resurrection, the gateway to paradise.
they need to deemphasize armageddon and emphasize "the way of life" that witnesses have.
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If I were running the Watchtower there are things that I would do to increase the numbers and increase donations. Since so many older witnesses are realizing that the false hope they had of not growing old and not having to die is fading away like a frost on a sunny autumn morning, the Watchtower needs to shift gears.
As it has been stated on this forum, the emphasis needs to shift from not dying to the glorious hope of the resurrection, the gateway to paradise. They need to deemphasize Armageddon and emphasize "the way of life" that witnesses have. There are no smoking, drunkenness, crime, and having friends of like faith around the world. (They can't brag about not having pedophiles)
At first, I would make celebrating birthdays a conscience matter by stating that since we can celebrate the birth of a baby with baby showers some may also want to celebrate the anniversary of the birth.
I would also make Christmas a conscience matter if done in moderation since people today do not associate the original pagan customs of the holiday which have faded away like the pagan origins of wedding rings, wedding dresses, and even the days of the week and months of the year. Promote it as a starting a family tradition making stronger families, which make for stronger congregations.
I would then let the witnesses "count time" for visiting older witnesses in need of help with chores and even encourage them to work in soup kitchens feeding the poor and hungry, just as Jesus did.
Make the midweek meeting one hour in length with the theme of how we can become better people and better serve our neighbors.
Then work in the tithing arrangement for donations.
If they did the above, I would join back up.
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I feel really, really sorry for those born into the Jehovah's Witness religion
by jambon1 insome facts that make the difference between you and me:.
1 - as a person raised by non jw family, my parents have never loved me based on conditions set out by a group of old men who they don't even know.
how does it feel to know that you are in the unique situation where your parents brought you into the world and said 'i'll show love to you.
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What a great thread!!!! The Witchtower Bable and Trick Society stole my childhood away. Being made fun of by my school mates for going from door to door. The Watchtower took away my Christmas, birthday, and fun vacations which were replaced by going to district conventions sitting in the hot sun for a week. I became a loner and did not go to college because the end was just around the corner. That was in 1965. One hell of a corner!!!
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Could this be the reason for one day assemblies
by Sour Grapes inlast saturday i sat through the one day assembly and i waited for the anticipated accounts report.
for one day the costs were $10,000.
even my wife questioned why the costs are so high and why don't they give a break down on the costs?
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At least three times it was mentioned that brothers should not be working at jobs that make them miss meetings and that it is better to trust in Jehovah and the generosity of the congregation.
The circus overseer also talked about the need to merge congregations to preserve dedicated funds and what attitude will we have if you are asked to drive further to worship Jehovah?
Oh. the growth of God's organization!